Angry Joe

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12.13.2013 2:11am

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ManjiSanji
Insanity Mongoose

This is bullshit.

100% support for Joe. People like Joe have created their own line of business, and it is damned successful. I learned early on that Joe's reviews, while I originally thought were just meant as jokes, actually contained damned solid information, points of view, and sincere, heart-felt takes on games and movies. Not only are they entertaining, they are reliable.

He has directly been responsible for me buying or not buying a fair number of products.

His reviews are not only worthwhile and valuable as a consumer, they are, as he said, a direct promotion of many products.

People like Angry Joe are good for *EVERYONE*. Consumers like us, because we get real reviews from a real person who isn't bought, and companies producing games and movies because their material gets enormous exposure that it otherwise would not get, which, notably, is FREE advertisement.

This is bullshit, and I sincerely hope this is undone, and people like Angry Joe can continue to do the fine work they have been doing.

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12.13.2013 2:51am

Rhaegar
World Warrior 21007

In many cases it's a matter of trolls hitting people like Angry Joe with phony copyright claims, and because YouTube's support staff is fucking lazy, they proceed to hit them with the copyright strikes without actually investigating to make sure the claim is legit. The same thing happened to another popular video gamer personality, DSP, a couple years back.

But yeah, total bullshit.

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12.13.2013 3:33am

kjonez
with a Z

Youtube just isn't the best place to put your videos, in a seriouse sense. It will never make everyone happy.

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12.13.2013 4:24am

(Edited on 12.13.2013 at 4:30am)

SuperSquall
Shortening His Posts

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It's beyond that., and the argument of "youtube isn't a good place for this sort of thing" doesn't work, because uploaders have contracts with networks that have contracts with youtube.

As far as the actual problem here: Imagine a system where if you accuse someone of something you get all money from them before anyone even assesses the validity of the claim. It's a game where the first person to make a claim gets all of the ad revenue until the user disputes it and then wins the claim. The declining recording industry, and various third party companies that represent other organizations (often RIAA, and rarely the original artist) have convinced Google/youtube to give them the ability to just highjack *everyone's* ad revenue until they manually protest every single instance and *win*.

Make no mistake, the majority of these claims aren't coming from even legitimate copyright holders, they are coming from third party representatives that are just tax-collectors representing organizations that can make borderline claims and then claim 100% revenue, and illegitimate parasites. Consider that AngryJoe had his interview with the Tomb Raider development team flagged, and once that flag got set he (and his network) no longer receives any revenue from that.

If I had filed a copyright claim against this video Joe posted, assuming he gets a similar CPM rate of return to me, I would have effectively stolen $400 from him, $400 from his network (because yes, we have actual contracts with actual networks that have lawyers and marketing departments and all that other stuff), and whatever amount youtube keeps in the ad contract, which is a mystery. Pretty good for 2 days of work when the veracity of the claim is never made.

Incidentally I have received free copies of games from multiple publishers (both large and small) in the hopes that I would LP them, and I have only received copyright claims from one publisher ever - all others are from RIAA or third parties (like Ingrooves) claiming on their behalf. So basically if a video contains 5 seconds of a song clip that is identifiable, once that claim goes through (whether or not it is false) the claimant gets 100% of the ad revenue for the entirety video. Technically they can pull this off in the short term with an illegitimate claim (i.e. Ingrooves can claim a video they of me just talking in a silent room) and they can get all of the revenue until the dispute is resolved. For people with large subscriber bases the majority of their daily views come from the newest uploads, so by just making illegitimate claims against the new daily videos uploaded by major channels you can effectively take the majority of their income. These organizations themselves do not actually generate any content on youtube, so there is no mechanism for retaliation.

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12.13.2013 4:47am

Wipwned
YEEEEEAAAH!

A more in depth discussion about what is going on.

The overall problem is systemic of copyright law/fair use law in general. I can make a gameplay video of any game on the market, odds are that if someone has some small claim to music or imagery used, they need to act upon it, or be seen as giving compliance to my video. There will be publishers throwing out claims to ownership and rescinding the claim once they've been contacted about it, but of course, there will be others that will refute it come hell or high water and if the video gets released, there's nothing stopping said company from re-claiming that video all over again.

As is the case with video games, it may not be the publishers of the game that have some point to laying a claim. In the case of music, the record label for an artist commisioned to assist with a soundtrack has and likely will make some claim to ownership over the material.

The point I'm getting at is there's so much legal grey area covered by this contentID fiasco that it's not likely we'll see a solution take shape any time in the near future. Not unless Google grows a spine and produces active counter-measures for their content developers, but given Google's usual involvement in this field, I'd think there'd be a better chance of seeing pigs fly.

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12.13.2013 6:08am

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ManjiSanji
Insanity Mongoose

I thought the argument from that video that they should sue Total Biscuit and then drop it just to set precident interesting.

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12.13.2013 4:22pm

CaButler
Winter Knight of the Unseelie Court