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Could I get some feedback on a project I've been working on?




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 05.03.2017 1:28am
Thread Creator (Edited on 06.02.2017 at 10:59am)

Scribe
The Taru



EDIT : I now have a temp site while the main site is being built. You can view it here: http://comingsoon.quitrich.com

In real life, I'm a registered investment advisor representative in AZ and decided that I want to change the status quo and give information on how to build wealth for free. No strings, no managing peoples accounts. Just teaching them how they can do it themselves and change their financial outcome for themselves and their relatives. While thinking about how to do this I quit smoking and suddenly pieced together how much smoking really cost me using a compound interest calculator and thought of how amazing and strong of an argument that would be to young people that haven't yet started smoking. I know that taking on big tobacco is literally like taking on every villain’s final form from any one video game you could think of but they are truly evil and the information needs to be out there.
 
So, I started a crowd funded project, which so far no one seems to notice. Maybe people are so jaded by the pyramid schemes that have plagued us for so long. How everything turns out to be a scam. I don't know. But I'd really like some advice from you guys, I'm asking everyone I know. How do I get people to realize that what I'm doing is very significant? Next week I am taking business cards and flyers door to door in neighborhoods in my city. I just hope I’m not missing what it looks like from the outside looking in…
Any feedback would be appreciated!

My facebook is http://www.facebook.com/randolphtolson
and my website is http://www.randolphtolson.com



Remote Internships are available soon at QuitRich.com




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 05.03.2017 10:15am


The Hulk
Good Boy



Your entire angle is one that will fall on deaf ears with the majority of smokers and especially young ones.  That's why your project is doomed before it even begins.  And this...
How do I get people to realize that what I'm doing is very significant?
...betrays an arrogance and complete ignorance of the deeper reasons smokers don't listen to "common sense" arguments.




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 05.03.2017 10:32am
Thread Creator

Scribe
The Taru



The Hulk said:

Your entire angle is one that will fall on deaf ears with the majority of smokers and especially young ones.  That's why your project is doomed before it even begins.  And this...

...betrays an arrogance and complete ignorance of the deeper reasons smokers don't listen to "common sense" arguments.

I'm curious to know, are you a smoker?

I know my target pretty well because I was, for 20 years, both a young smoker and not. I think this angle is the only thing that makes sense. Health concerns don't bother smokers until later. We all die from something. But $1.9 million dollars is a ton of oppertunity that has never been presented as an option to smokers both young and not. Not to mention how hypnotized by $1.9 million dollars a child would be. It increases wealth in the lower class. I don't see how you think it's doomed before it began. Smoking cigarettes was doomed the day the project started.




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 05.03.2017 10:52am


The Hulk
Good Boy



Yes I am a smoker and I was a young one.  Everyone cites money immediately after health on the list of reasons to stop or never start in the first place.  You're by no means the first to tot up values and amounts as incentive to quit.  Like I said, common sense arguments don't work.

Smoking cigarettes was doomed the day the project started
There's that arrogance again.  You're not going to put a dent in this issue, it's too big and your ideas too simple and, despite what you believe, unoriginal.  Smoking is largely gonna die off on its own anyway with the combination of ever-increasing government interference, the rise in e-cig popularity and just general societal attitudes toward it gradually souring.  You and your ideas aren't necessary.




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 05.03.2017 1:08pm


Atma Weapon
I Am Pure Energy

Scribe, I think you should listen to everyone's feedback on this, but try not allow Hulk's firehose of cynicism discourage you too much. You have to put this into context on all sides and realize he's always like this.

If you are passionate about this project, and you believe in it, you don't need to put it to a vote with some strangers on a tiny special interest website like this. Just do it as long as you find it rewarding. You don't have to change the world. If your efforts stops even one person from starting smoking, or influences their decision to stop, then your effort was already well worth it.

But if it were me, I would work on it by investing my time, rather than my money. Behind the blinding fog of his cynicism, Hulk does raise some important points that you need to keep in mind, he's just not doing a good job of describing the problem or putting it into context for you.

First, what you're trying to do here, from a rhetorical point of view, is to appeal to the reason and critical thinking skills of young people. There is actually a lot of empirical psychological and neuroscientific reasearch indicating that, sadly, this is not an effective tactic. The problem is that young people literally lack the hardware to grasp this argument, find it compelling, and act on it. Reason and critical thinking are highly dependent on the frontal lobes, which are pretty much the last parts of the brain to become fully developed, at an average of age 25 or so. It's also the part of the brain most important for impulse control and long term planning, which is exactly what the personal finance appeal against smoking is trying to appeal to. Add on top of that the fact that humans in general suck at giving their long term intrests the appropriate amount of weight in decision making. As a professional investment adviser, I'm sure you know that all too well.

If your goal is just to influence the most people and run a successful marketing campaign against smoking, you might be more successful telling kids that if they smoke, potential partners will think they're gross and therefore you won't get laid if you're a smoker. There is still a fair amount of truth to it, and you are appealing to the lizard brain in a way that makes the negative outcomes associated with smoking more direct and immediate.

I wouldn't advocate for using outright falsehoods to discourage people from smoking, because I care about truth too much, and there are still plenty of good reasos that don't have millions of years of evolution working against them like the money argument does.




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 05.03.2017 1:29pm


The Hulk
Good Boy



lol, you said what I did but with unncessary verbiage.  Thanks for the agreement even if you did try to take your usual cunty swipes.




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 05.03.2017 2:12pm


Atma Weapon
I Am Pure Energy

We did not say the same thing. You said it's hopeless and he should give up, while I said he should work on it if he is passionate, but that science informs us he should temper his expectations.




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 05.03.2017 2:21pm


The Hulk
Good Boy



Point out where I said "it's hopeless and you should give up".  I'll save you the trouble; you can't.  I said it will fall on deaf ears with the majority and not put a dent in the issue.  You said the same fucking thing.  I was just more concise and didn't waste time taking pot shots at other people just because they've shown me up repeatedly in the past.




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 05.03.2017 2:52pm


Atma Weapon
I Am Pure Energy

Sorry this conversation devolved off topic Scribe. I hope you found the first couple of comments helpful in some way.




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 05.03.2017 2:56pm
Thread Creator

Scribe
The Taru



Atma Weapon said:

Scribe, I think you should listen to everyone's feedback on this, but try not allow Hulk's firehose of cynicism discourage you too much. You have to put this into context on all sides and realize he's always like this.

If you are passionate about this project, and you believe in it, you don't need to put it to a vote with some strangers on a tiny special interest website like this. Just do it as long as you find it rewarding. You don't have to change the world. If your efforts stops even one person from starting smoking, or influences their decision to stop, then your effort was already well worth it.

But if it were me, I would work on it by investing my time, rather than my money. Behind the blinding fog of his cynicism, Hulk does raise some important points that you need to keep in mind, he's just not doing a good job of describing the problem or putting it into context for you.

First, what you're trying to do here, from a rhetorical point of view, is to appeal to the reason and critical thinking skills of young people. There is actually a lot of empirical psychological and neuroscientific reasearch indicating that, sadly, this is not an effective tactic. The problem is that young people literally lack the hardware to grasp this argument, find it compelling, and act on it. Reason and critical thinking are highly dependent on the frontal lobes, which are pretty much the last parts of the brain to become fully developed, at an average of age 25 or so. It's also the part of the brain most important for impulse control and long term planning, which is exactly what the personal finance appeal against smoking is trying to appeal to. Add on top of that the fact that humans in general suck at giving their long term intrests the appropriate amount of weight in decision making. As a professional investment adviser, I'm sure you know that all too well.

If your goal is just to influence the most people and run a successful marketing campaign against smoking, you might be more successful telling kids that if they smoke, potential partners will think they're gross and therefore you won't get laid if you're a smoker. There is still a fair amount of truth to it, and you are appealing to the lizard brain in a way that makes the negative outcomes associated with smoking more direct and immediate.

I wouldn't advocate for using outright falsehoods to discourage people from smoking, because I care about truth too much, and there are still plenty of good reasos that don't have millions of years of evolution working against them like the money argument does.

I believe that compounding the idea of having money & success in accomplishing dreams (why the Kardashians are popular with young people) with the fear of missing out (I'm 25 and my non-smoking peers have $29k in the bank and are headed for millions) could be enough to psychologically drive a child to save, even if not right away. The truth is, the masses have not ever had wealth building knowledge fed to them at young ages or at any age so it is hard to say what kind of adults they will become.

I appreciate the response, and the time it took to flesh it out politely. I will continue the efforts, I couldn't stop if I wanted to.

There is one thing I can tell you for certain: Never underestimate a childs potential.




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 05.03.2017 11:47pm


Mavilu
Boo!



Well, as an ex-smoker yourself (and myself) I don't need to tell you that in order to quit, you need a powerful motivator that speaks to you and you alone, we all quit for very different reasons, making motivators incredibly objective. As you also know, smokers know such things as health complications, expenses and such, you aren't bringing anything new to the table.

However, it's possible that a well thought out explanaton about the costs of smoking and management tools for those about to start (if I understood your proposal correctly) is needed and will help. And, if you have this strong hunch that an idea is good and will work, not matter what this idea is, just go with it, strong hunches are not something that happens all the time, it's worth paying attention to them. Besides, if you don't try and see what happens, you'll be always left with the"what ifs".
As long as you prepare for all consequences, god and bad, before hand, I say, go for it.




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 05.04.2017 10:55pm
Thread Creator

Scribe
The Taru



Mavilu said:

Well, as an ex-smoker yourself (and myself) I don't need to tell you that in order to quit, you need a powerful motivator that speaks to you and you alone, we all quit for very different reasons, making motivators incredibly objective. As you also know, smokers know such things as health complications, expenses and such, you aren't bringing anything new to the table.

However, it's possible that a well thought out explanaton about the costs of smoking and management tools for those about to start (if I understood your proposal correctly) is needed and will help. And, if you have this strong hunch that an idea is good and will work, not matter what this idea is, just go with it, strong hunches are not something that happens all the time, it's worth paying attention to them. Besides, if you don't try and see what happens, you'll be always left with the"what ifs".
As long as you prepare for all consequences, god and bad, before hand, I say, go for it.

Thank you Mavilu! I will go with it!




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 06.02.2017 10:31am
Thread Creator

Scribe
The Taru



I now have a temp site while the main site is being built. You can view it here: http://comingsoon.quitrich.com




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