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05.04.2012 12:48pm

Free Spirit
Zetta Member

Hah, I'm surprised XII is as low as it is. Sure it had some flaws...but wow, it's looking like a real loser right about now.

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05.04.2012 12:53pm

Thread Creator

grey_haven
Formerly known as 'Trekster'

Yeah, I'm kicking myself for not doing "best world" but it's a little late now. As far as some other categories though, like summons, I picked categories that would apply to all games.

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05.04.2012 1:26pm

Southern Comfort
silently judging all of you

Best Game (Your Overall Favorite) 3pts - Final Fantasy VI
Best Story 2pts - Final Fantasy IV
Best Playable Ensemble Cast 2pts - Final Fantasy VI
Best Playable Character 1pt - Final Fantasy VI (Locke)
Best NPC Ensemble Cast 2pts - Final Fantasy VII
Best NPC Character 1pt - Final Fantasy VI (Kefka)
Best Overall Score 2pts -
Best Song 1pt - Tie: Final Fantasy V (Battle on the Big Bridge) Final Fantasy VI (intro/overworld theme)
Best Battle System 2pts - Final Fantasy VII
Best Ability Gaining System 1pt - Tie: Final Fantasy V (for the Job system) Final Fantasy VIII (for being horrifically broken in a fun way)
Best For Replayability (ie which have you played the most) 2pts - Final Fantasy VI
Best Overall Character Design (as in artwork) 1pt - Final Fantasy VIII
Best Difficulty Curve 1pt - N/A (had to grind in all games so all games lose)

Worst Game -3pts - Final Fantasy
Worst Story -2pts - Final Fantasy V
Worst Playable Ensemble Cast -2pts - Final Fantasy VII
Worst Playable Character -1pt - Final Fantasy VIII
Worst NPC Ensemble Cast -2pts - Final Fantasy IV
Worst NPC Character -1pt - Final Fantasy IX
Worst Overall Score -2pts -
Worst Song -1pt - Final Fantasy VIII
Worst Battle System -2pts - Final Fantasy IV
Worst Ability Gaining System -1pt - Final Fantasy IV
Worst For Replayability (ie which have you beat 1 or less times) -2pts - Final Fantasy IX
Worst Overall Character Design 1pt - Final Fantasy VII
Worst Difficulty Curve (ie too frustrating or too easy) -1pt - ALL (fuck grinding.)

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05.04.2012 2:44pm

Crono
Crono can cross dimensions too!

Free Spirit said:

Hah, I'm surprised XII is as low as it is. Sure it had some flaws...but wow, it's looking like a real loser right about now.

It's funny becuase XII is still in my top 5 overall favorites. I can at least understand why a lot of people hate it but I love the story, characters, and battle system personally. I thought about trolling in here and voting all XII positives just for laughs.

Currently Playing: Dark Cloud 2: 3 hours.
Also Playing: CT, FF VI, Solatorobo, Secret of Mana, Halo 4.
Just Finished: Fable II: 7 hours.

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05.04.2012 2:44pm

Plectrude
Preivously known as F1r18

Stopped playing at X (i.e. didn't play X for more than 2-3 hours).

Best Game (Your Overall Favorite) 3pts - ff7
Best Story 2pts - ff7
Best Playable Ensemble Cast 2pts - FF7
Best Playable Character 1pt - Cloud
Best NPC Ensemble Cast 2pts - FF4 (elements)
Best NPC Character 1pt - Guarland
Best Overall Score 2pts - FF7
Best Song 1pt - FF7 overworld theme
Best Battle System 2pts - None. They all retrospectively sucks / are bugged. Just press A repeadtly to fight.
Best Ability Gaining System 1pt - FF8
Best For Replayability (ie which have you played the most) 2pts - FF4
Best Overall Character Design (as in artwork) 1pt - FF7
Best Difficulty Curve 1pt - FF4

Worst Game -3pts - FF9
Worst Story -2pts - FF8 (amnesia lol)
Worst Playable Ensemble Cast -2pts - FF8
Worst Playable Character -1pt - FF4 Edward
Worst NPC Ensemble Cast -2pts -
Worst NPC Character -1pt -
Worst Overall Score -2pts - FF8 (some incredible songs, most of them are bland)
Worst Song -1pt - FF4 normal battle song
Worst Battle System -2pts - FF1 (pick 3 fighters and press A all the game)
Worst Ability Gaining System -1pt - Some have none (ff4)
Worst For Replayability (ie which have you beat 1 or less times) -2pts - FF9
Worst Overall Character Design 1pt - FF9
Worst Difficulty Curve (ie too frustrating or too easy) -1pt - FF1 (depends too much on your party)

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05.04.2012 2:54pm

Colinp42
Registered Member

Some of these really had me thinking for a while, and I had some really close ones.

Also haven't played XI or XIV - personally I feel they shouldn't be included, if we're not including Tactics or X-2 or XIII-2 - they really are along the same lines.

Best Game (Your Overall Favorite) 3pts - VI
Best Story 2pts - VI
Best Playable Ensemble Cast 2pts - IX
Best Playable Character 1pt - IX - Dagger (white mage/summoner combo is fun)
Best NPC Ensemble Cast 2pts - VII (Turks, etc)
Best NPC Character 1pt - VI - Ultros
Best Overall Score 2pts - VI - Overworld/Terra's theme came very close to best song
Best Song 1pt - VI - Aria di Mezzo Carattere
Best Battle System 2pts - IX - perfected IVs system (really my answer would be X-2 though :P)
Best Ability Gaining System 1pt - IX - I don't like all my characters to be able to get the same skills!
Best For Replayability (ie which have you played the most) 2pts - VI
Best Overall Character Design (as in artwork) 1pt - IX
Best Difficulty Curve 1pt - IV

Worst Game -3pts - II
Worst Story -2pts - III
Worst Playable Ensemble Cast -2pts - V
Worst Playable Character -1pt - IV - Edward
Worst NPC Ensemble Cast -2pts - I (although that almost seems not fair)
Worst NPC Character -1pt - VII - Don Corneo
Worst Overall Score -2pts - XII - this was tough, but I guess since nothing was memorable to me from it
Worst Song -1pt - IV - that moon overworld song
Worst Battle System -2pts - XII - just not my thing!
Worst Ability Gaining System -1pt - XII - have to buy it AND use experience?
Worst For Replayability (ie which have you beat 1 or less times) -2pts - II
Worst Overall Character Design 1pt - V - just seemed kind of lazy
Worst Difficulty Curve (ie too frustrating or too easy) -1pt -II

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05.04.2012 3:13pm

Catastrophe
I'm Catbug!

Best Game (Your Overall Favorite) 3pts - FFIX
Best Story 2pts - FFVI
Best Playable Ensemble Cast 2pts - FFVI
Best Playable Character 1pt - FFVIII Selphie
Best NPC Ensemble Cast 2pts - FFVII
Best NPC Character 1pt - FFIX Beatrix
Best Overall Score 2pts - FFVI
Best Song 1pt - FFVI Terra/World Theme
Best Battle System 2pts - FFVIII
Best Ability Gaining System 1pt - FFVII
Best For Replayability (ie which have you played the most) 2pts - FFVIII
Best Overall Character Design (as in artwork) 1pt - FFIX
Best Difficulty Curve 1pt - FFVI (just difficult enough without being tear-your-hair-out hard)

Worst Game -3pts - FFXII
Worst Story -2pts - FFVIII (love the game, but it had a flimsy story)
Worst Playable Ensemble Cast -2pts - FFVIII (love the game, but seriously, six emo teenagers and that's it?!)
Worst Playable Character -1pt - FFVII Cait Sith (I like Cait Sith, but his Limit Break was too random and you never got the best outcome)
Worst NPC Ensemble Cast -2pts - FFX
Worst NPC Character -1pt - FFX-2 Brother (X had enough of him, X-2 had way too f*cking much)
Worst Overall Score -2pts - FFI (Revolutionary yeah, but mostly forgettable)
Worst Song -1pt -
Worst Battle System -2pts - FFIX (I blame Trance mostly)
Worst Ability Gaining System -1pt - FFII
Worst For Replayability (ie which have you beat 1 or less times) -2pts - FFVI (even though it's my second favourite and I love it, I don't play it as often as others because it's so freaking looooong and it draaaaags)
Worst Overall Character Design 1pt - FFXII (So freaking generic. Plus all they did was copy/paste from FFTA)
Worst Difficulty Curve (ie too frustrating or too easy) -1pt - FFXII (swings between stupid easy and f*ck-you-up-the-ass hard too much)

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05.04.2012 4:13pm

Kal
yes

Best Game (Your Overall Favorite) 3pts - FFVI
Best Story 2pts - FFVI
Best Playable Ensemble Cast 2pts - FFVI
Best Playable Character 1pt - FFIX - Vivi
Best NPC Ensemble Cast 2pts - FFVII
Best NPC Character 1pt - FFIX Beatrix
Best Overall Score 2pts - FFVII
Best Song 1pt - FFVII - Judgement Day
Best Battle System 2pts - FFX
Best Ability Gaining System 1pt - FFV BY FAAAAAR
Best For Replayability (ie which have you played the most) 2pts - FFV
Best Overall Character Design (as in artwork) 1pt - FFIX
Best Difficulty Curve 1pt - FFV

Worst Game -3pts - FF2 (FFXII was pretty baad but nowhere near as dreadful as II)
Worst Story -2pts - FFVIII (THE GFs MADE US FORGET !!! -_-)
Worst Playable Ensemble Cast -2pts - FFVIII (ugh)
Worst Playable Character -1pt - Squall (ugh)
Worst NPC Ensemble Cast -2pts - FFX I guess ?
Worst NPC Character -1pt - FFX BROTHER
Worst Overall Score -2pts - FFXII (the only tune is remember is Battle on the Big Bridge and it was horribly orchestrated)
Worst Song -1pt - That faux-metal song in FFX, forgot what it's called.
Worst Battle System -2pts - FFIX - it's so slooooww
Worst Ability Gaining System -1pt - FII
Worst For Replayability (ie which have you beat 1 or less times) -2pts - FFIX (I loved this game to death the one time I played it, but I tried replaying it and it's just too fuckin slow)
Worst Overall Character Design 1pt - FFXII (While I loved Balthier, the rest was boring as hell)
Worst Difficulty Curve (ie too frustrating or too easy) -1pt - FFXII (no middle ground in difficulty, also : too easy with gambits on, too hard without)

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05.04.2012 5:07pm

(Edited on 05.04.2012 at 7:13pm)

Testament
Shamshot

Best Game (Your Overall Favorite) 3pts - FFVI
Best Story 2pts - FFVII
Best Playable Ensemble Cast 2pts - FFVI
Best Playable Character 1pt - FFVIII (Laguna)
Best NPC Ensemble Cast 2pts - FFIX
Best NPC Character 1pt - FFVII (Zack) I know... I'm cheating.
Best Overall Score 2pts - FFVIII
Best Song 1pt - FFI (Prologue)
Best Battle System 2pts - FFX
Best Ability Gaining System 1pt - FFVII
Best For Replayability (ie which have you played the most) 2pts - FFVI
Best Overall Character Design (as in artwork) 1pt - FFIX
Best Difficulty Curve 1pt - FFVI

Worst Game -3pts - FFII
Worst Story -2pts - FFIII
Worst Playable Ensemble Cast -2pts - FFIII
Worst Playable Character -1pt - FFVII (Cait Sith)
Worst NPC Ensemble Cast -2pts - FFI
Worst NPC Character -1pt - FFX (Brother)
Worst Overall Score -2pts - FFXII
Worst Song -1pt - FFXIII (My Hands)
Worst Battle System -2pts - FFII
Worst Ability Gaining System -1pt - FFII
Worst For Replayability (ie which have you beat 1 or less times) -2pts - FFII
Worst Overall Character Design 1pt - FFII
Worst Difficulty Curve (ie too frustrating or too easy) -1pt - FFII

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05.04.2012 5:38pm

Enkidoh
Time Travelling White Mage

Best Game (Your Overall Favorite) 3pts - FFVI
Best Story 2pts - FFVI
Best Playable Ensemble Cast 2pts - FFVI
Best Playable Character 1pt - FFVII (Aeris Gainsborough)
Best NPC Ensemble Cast 2pts - FFXI
Best NPC Character 1pt - FFIX (Beatrix)
Best Overall Score 2pts - FFVI
Best Song 1pt - FFIX (Melodies of Life)
Best Battle System 2pts - FFVII (Best use of the ATB system)
Best Ability Gaining System 1pt - FFIII/V/XI (Job System FOR EVER)
Best For Replayability (ie which have you played the most) 2pts - FFVII (Is it sad I've played it so many times I've lost count?)
Best Overall Character Design (as in artwork) 1pt - FFIX
Best Difficulty Curve 1pt - FFIX

Worst Game -3pts - FFXIII
Worst Story -2pts - FFXII
Worst Playable Ensemble Cast -2pts - FFXII
Worst Playable Character -1pt - FFXIII (Hope! Go die in a fire you whiny crybaby!)
Worst NPC Ensemble Cast -2pts - FFI
Worst NPC Character -1pt - FFX (Rin. Damn that guy annoyed me with his oily voice)
Worst Overall Score -2pts - FFXIII (I've said it before - Masashi Hamauzu is a hack.)
Worst Song -1pt - FFXIII (My Hands - I mean, seriously? Why the feck was this even included??)
Worst Battle System -2pts - FFXII
Worst Ability Gaining System -1pt - FFXIII (stupid Crystarium. It's like, FFX's Sphere Grid Mk III on rails)
Worst For Replayability (ie which have you beat 1 or less times) -2pts - FFVIII
Worst Overall Character Design 1pt - FFXIV (Copy&pasted FFXI races given a Photoshop touch-up and weird names. Sorry SE, but I'm not fooled)
Worst Difficulty Curve (ie too frustrating or too easy) -1pt - FFXII (the worst of MMO gaming compressed into a single-player package. It doesn't work)

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05.04.2012 7:45pm

(Edited on 05.04.2012 at 7:51pm)

kirbenvost
Give Life Back To Music

^ Lol, love the negative commentary. Hope is a little bitch indeed.

I seem to be in the minority of people who thought that FFXIII's soundtrack was decent though. I didn't even mind that Leona Lewis song. I guess it's out of place, but it's a nice song...

Crono, I'm surprised you enjoyed the story of FFXII. I can understand how it had potential, and Balthier's story was decent, but overall the story just bored me to death, especially because any sort of character interaction was few and far between.

grey_haven said:

Yeah, I'm kicking myself for not doing "best world" but it's a little late now. As far as some other categories though, like summons, I picked categories that would apply to all games.

Couldn't we all just go back and add it?

Lucent said:

Man I thought this was going to be a revival of the Rinoa = Ultimecia threads.

So disappointed.

Heh.

Dr Squirrel said:

Best Playable Character 1pt - Tidus - X (YEAH I SAID IT)

Haha, what? I count myself as one who likes the guy and thought he was a good character, but...what? XD

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05.04.2012 7:58pm

Crusader
Not Even My Dad Hit Me

Best Game (Your Overall Favorite) 3pts - FFV
Best Story 2pts - FFVIII
Best Playable Ensemble Cast 2pts - FFVIII
Best Playable Character 1pt - FFVIII (Laguna)
Best NPC Ensemble Cast 2pts - FFVIII
Best NPC Character 1pt - FFIV (Namingway)
Best Overall Score 2pts - FFVIII
Best Song 1pt - FFVIII (Premonition)
Best Battle System 2pts - FFX-2
Best Ability Gaining System 1pt - FFV
Best For Replayability (ie which have you played the most) 2pts - FFVII
Best Overall Character Design (as in artwork) 1pt - FFVIII (Edea)
Best Difficulty Curve 1pt - FFV

Worst Game -3pts - FFXII
Worst Story -2pts - FFIX
Worst Playable Ensemble Cast -2pts - FFIX
Worst Playable Character -1pt - FFXII (Vaan)
Worst NPC Ensemble Cast -2pts - FFX
Worst NPC Character -1pt - FFX (Shelinda)
Worst Overall Score -2pts - FFII
Worst Song -1pt - FFII (Dat fucking cave theme)
Worst Battle System -2pts - FFI
Worst Ability Gaining System -1pt - FFII
Worst For Replayability (ie which have you beat 1 or less times) -2pts - FFXII
Worst Overall Character Design 1pt - FFXII (Vaan, but take your pick)
Worst Difficulty Curve (ie too frustrating or too easy) -1pt - FFII

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05.04.2012 9:19pm

(Edited on 05.04.2012 at 10:00pm)

Testament
Shamshot

My Hands is just fine on it's own merit, but SE should've just used the original theme.

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05.06.2012 8:23pm

shooter_mcgavin
Registered Member

Best Game (Your Overall Favorite) 3pts - Final Fantasy VI
Best Story 2pts - Final Fantasy VII
Best Playable Ensemble Cast 2pts - Final Fantasy VI
Best Playable Character 1pt - Kain Hightwind (Final Fantasy IV)
Best NPC Ensemble Cast 2pts - Final Fantasy XII (I'm consider the guest as NPC)
Best NPC Character 1pt - Ultros (Final Fantasy VI)
Best Overall Score 2pts - Final Fantasy VI
Best Song 1pt - Melodies of Life (Final Fantasy IX)
Best Battle System 2pts - Final Fantasy X
Best Ability Gaining System 1pt - Final Fantasy X
Best For Replayability (ie which have you played the most) 2pts - Final Fantasy VI
Best Overall Character Design (as in artwork) 1pt - Final Fantasy XII
Best Difficulty Curve 1pt - Final Fantasy V

Worst Game -3pts - Final Fantasy XIII
Worst Story -2pts - Final Fantasy XIII
Worst Playable Ensemble Cast -2pts - Final Fantasy XIII
Worst Playable Character -1pt - Snow (Final Fantasy XIII)
Worst NPC Ensemble Cast -2pts - Final Fantasy XIII (except that chick with the huge knockers)
Worst NPC Character -1pt - Ducan (Final Fantasy VI) - where was he? Think of how it would have been to get bum rush early int he game? Super Minus points for Ducan for no showing the World of Balance - or was it because he was Banon in disquise? Hmmm
Worst Overall Score -2pts - Final Fantasy XIII
Worst Song -1pt - "Kiss Me Goodbye" - Final Fantasy XII (so out of place)
Worst Battle System -2pts - Final Fantasy XIII
Worst Ability Gaining System -1pt - Final Fantasy II (I became so overpowered in the PSP version I killed the final boss with 3 hits)
Worst For Replayability (ie which have you beat 1 or less times) -2pts - Final Fantasy XIII
Worst Overall Character Design 1pt - Final Fantasy XIII
Worst Difficulty Curve (ie too frustrating or too easy) -1pt - Final Fantasy XIII

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05.06.2012 10:07pm

(Edited on 05.06.2012 at 10:13pm)

Rhaegar
World Warrior 21007

Best Game (Your Overall Favorite) 3pts - FFVI
Best Story 2pts - FFVI
Best Playable Ensemble Cast 2pts - FFVI
Best Playable Character 1pt - FFIV (Kain)
Best NPC Ensemble Cast 2pts - FFIX
Best NPC Character 1pt - FFV (Gilgamesh)
Best Overall Score 2pts - FFVI
Best Song 1pt - FFVI (Dancing Mad)
Best Battle System 2pts - FFX
Best Ability Gaining System 1pt - FFV (Job System FTW)
Best For Replayability (ie which have you played the most) 2pts - FFIV (I guess. None are really replayable other than simply enjoying the experience. FFIV is a swift game, though, so there's that.)
Best Overall Character Design (as in artwork) 1pt - FFVI (Celes)
Best Difficulty Curve 1pt - FFV

Worst Game -3pts - FFXIII
Worst Story -2pts - FFXIII
Worst Playable Ensemble Cast -2pts - FFXIII (Sazh was the only one I DIDN'T want to strangle as soon as they spoke.)
Worst Playable Character -1pt - FFXIII (Hope. Fucking Hope. Snow and Vanille were almost as insufferable. Seriously, though, the whole damn cast makes my previous most hated characters (Rinoa, Vaan) almost seem tolerable.)
Worst NPC Ensemble Cast -2pts - FFIII (I guess.)
Worst NPC Character -1pt - FFX (Shelinda)
Worst Overall Score -2pts - FFXII (Sakimoto REALLY phoned it in.)
Worst Song -1pt - FFXIII (The Leona Lewis garbage.)
Worst Battle System -2pts - FFXII (AUTOPLAY!!!)
Worst Ability Gaining System -1pt - FFII (WTF was that Elder Scrolls on meth bullshit?)
Worst For Replayability (ie which have you beat 1 or less times) -2pts - FFXIII
Worst Overall Character Design 1pt - FFXIII (all of them)
Worst Difficulty Curve (ie too frustrating or too easy) -1pt - FFII

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