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08.11.2012 1:45am

Crono
Crono can cross dimensions too!

Formal Education: Anything I've taught I had by my first year in college and I never had a SINGLE class on education/teaching/etc. All of my "training" has been on site and just figuring out how to relate knowledge to people. Granted, I was originally on a path for more of an engineer/coding type career but even still I learned C++ and Matlab (programs of choice in my field) on my own before college so I never needed classes in them. I loved coding except I was too obsessed with it and it's all I could think about when I had a job involving it. I had a project that was supposed to take 10 weeks and I spent every waking moment (even dreamed about it) for 2 weeks and got it done and then had nothing else to do at the job.

Currently Playing: Dark Cloud 2: 3 hours.
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08.11.2012 1:50am

Zo
another blue ribbon

I'm an Ecology BSc, currently working in a contract research laboratory testing potential pesticides. Gonna take a break from my current job (which is comfortable but uninspiring and dead-end) to go volunteering in Africa for a few months, and then hopefully going to be sauntering into a PhD in non-chemical pest management methods. Using nature's existing resources to protect crops, rather than dousing them with chemicals :)

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08.11.2012 1:52am

Nelfichu
I've been there, hombre.

I have a degree in Film/Theater/Television. It was a silly/possibly stupid choice (especially in a landlocked state like Colorado) but it's my passion, plus I met my girlfriend in the same degree. I'd like to screenwrite; I actually won a screenwriting contest with a stupid script I phoned in in college, so I'd like to think if I actually made an effort to write something good, I might do alright.

My friends and I actually just made a feature film as an experiment to see if we could do it with limited actors/resources/no budget. We finished it with essentially a 3-person crew, so now we're excited to push our limits and write/film something awesome.

As for what pays the bills, I handle all the A/V needs at a big company, plus I work their mail room. It's obviously not what I want to do forever, but I love playing around with the projectors, and it pays pretty well.

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08.11.2012 1:58am

Aquila
Usually lurking
Administrator

Job: Environment artist at Griptonite, now part of Glu Mobile. We just put out Gears & Guts on iOS and Android. Go download it now (it's free)!

Career: 3D artist with better pay? Want to be a character artist but need to know more ZBrush!

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08.11.2012 2:15am

Inquisitor
Jericholic V2.0

MBA in finance and currently manage a reporting and analytics team with a bank

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08.11.2012 2:28am

Arckanghel
Pirate.

Undergrad in Economics & Communications from Purdue. I work as an economic/business and political consultant. I manage Facebook Pages, Twitter Feeds, put together communications plans for small businesses. I'm working on finishing an MBA. On the side I do GRE prep classes and broker advertising contracts. It all sounds much more exciting and better paying than it is. I also work as an advisor in sustainability projects quite often.

My true interests are economic and environmental policy along with virtual worlds research into micro and macro economic theories. I had plans to continue on in school and pick up a PhD, but right now things are in upheaval. I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia last year and its continued impact can make some things very difficult.

All I really want to do? Change the World.

Formal education, while not something I enjoy, has been highly worth it and I would have never made it this far without it. The people I met and the experiences I was offered were much more valuable than the "education" part, but both were worth the money by far.

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08.11.2012 3:29am

Spidey
So Sigh Ety

I have a degree (BS) in Aerospace Engineering. Working on an MS in the same right now concurrently while I work full time. Without my degree I'd be on the street or bumming it at the parents with no job, as part time jobs or un degreed jobs are extremely hard to find in my area, so yeah for me it was absolutely necessary to go to college. And I probably use about half of the classes I took on the job, so that's a pretty good amount. The other half also helped me develop thinking skills and other habits that are absolutely necessary for me to be as good at my job as I am.

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08.11.2012 4:37am

Monetary Dragon
Just keep swimming

I'm going to have to get a job or something soon. I'm near getting a PhD in Microbiology.

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08.11.2012 7:04am

shooter_mcgavin
Registered Member

I remember posting a thread about some complaints in the coprorate workplace. But let me just say I like my job, the work, etc. I just had a problem with someone in the office spreading hypocritical accusations and lies. I heat is gone but I still don't know who it is, but my manager and I agreed to revisit this in hopes to discuss this with that person's manager.

As for what I do ... SAP and Development. It's not the most exciting job in the world, heck I went out with my friend and when I talked to his other friends their jobs were painters, film makers, pilots, marketing, photography, and DJ's. So on paper my job isn't very interesting as a table discussion but I like what I do ... for now :-P

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08.11.2012 7:30am

tharpy
Electric Duck

Zubis said:

How do you guys feel about formal education? I know a lot of people that dropped out of college saying it was worthless, but these people don't seem to be doing much these days.

I would not have my current job without the formal education (Aviation Management). So it has definitely been usefull for me. But i also have friends that aren't in a career field that corresponds to their degree. So there are still issues with the system in that sense of it.

Overall, I would say that education itself doesn't hurt. But it should be evaluated based on 'industry' standards.

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08.11.2012 9:54am

Big Tall
Taller Than Tall

Zubis said:
How do you guys feel about formal education? I know a lot of people that dropped out of college saying it was worthless, but these people don't seem to be doing much these days.

I dropped out of college at 19 and if you'd asked me then, I would have said it was a waste of time. I went back to school at 24 and it gave me the foundation to get started in my career, which I love, so it worked for me. That said, my step-brother is going back to school for a second or third time becuse he can't decide what he wants to do.

If you have a good idea what you want for a career, then a formal education is worth it. If nothing else it'd give you a leg up on those who don't or separate you from those who do (through your marks and such).

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08.11.2012 10:17am

Sigma
I think I do...

Zubis said:
How do you guys feel about formal education? I know a lot of people that dropped out of college saying it was worthless, but these people don't seem to be doing much these days.

In general I feel pretty good about it. I started to learn programming from my father when I was really young, and it was all trial and error and awful code that I didn't know was awful. I'm sure if I really looked into good coding practices I would have figured it out, but I never would bothered with a lot of theory and fundamentals that I got through college. Also, just being at a university has alerted me to career openings that I'm not sure I would have found or looked into on my own.

I guess for Computer Science the break between where it's worth it and where it's not is in what you're really interested in. Working at a large corporation like Google or Microsoft, you couldn't get in the door without some formal education (or TONS of notable experience) but the things you're doing there require a lot more theoretical background and design. But if you're going to create websites or apps for a living, you're really not going to learn that in a classroom, and theoretical knowledge isn't likely to be useful either. I feel similar things about arts and writing and such. Anyone can write, draw or make an app. Some can do it well enough to support themselves, but the leading edge tends to require some proof that you're up to the challenge.

Amer said:
While a formal college education gave me a good foundation and opened doors to a career, I wouldn't say it was terribly awesome. Learning to code in C++ using things like VIM and stuff just seems ancient and stupid now. Thank god for my 2nd semester of Freshman year where we learned to use Visual Studio, but still - almost everything was local apps. There was nothing taught on web apps and how to build them. After freshman year I took one useful SQL class and everything else was theoretical algorithm bullshit and maths I never use. Then senior year we had a project class one semester with actual "customers" and had to build web based apps we were never taught how to do. Too much theory, not enough practice. And all of this was at an "Engineering/Technology" university.

Haha, nothing's changed. At Oregon State, we're still taught VIM and Emacs first. I'll never understand the obsession. We also have one required databases/web class and another optional one. Nothing for apps, one for design stuff. And then we finish our four years with a project from a list that is currently dominate by websites and apps. Luckily, we get to choose, though. So if you really aren't interested in apps or websites (like me!), then you can most likely avoid it.

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08.11.2012 3:30pm

kjonez
with a Z

Zubis said:How do you guys feel about formal education? I know a lot of people that dropped out of college saying it was worthless, but these people don't seem to be doing much these days.

I dropped out becaues I went in undecided and had no direction as to what I wanted to do. The classes were the same I took in high school and the people treated me terribly. I had a one hour commute every morning because I didn't live on campus(see couldn't afford it) and the lack of effort on both the facilty and fellow students was very disheartening. Of my 5 final projects, 3 of them were group projects. The groups I was in shrugged me off as if I didn't matter, all because I didn't live on campus and adopt the college lifestyle. So instead of dropping another 12,000 out of my pocket on another semester I made the decision to leave.

I have friends who went to school for engineering and architechture degrees and after 7+ years of school they are bagging groceries. It's not their fault, it's still a terrible time to be looking for a ajob, at least for our generation. I don't ever regret dropping out because it allowed me to focus on what I really wanted to do in life and it has payed off in spades. I'm so much happier with my career than what it could have been.

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08.11.2012 3:53pm

Magicjewel
Dr. Fantabulous
Administrator

Zubis said:

How do you guys feel about formal education? I know a lot of people that dropped out of college saying it was worthless, but these people don't seem to be doing much these days.

Well, all things considered, they don't let people do reproductive transplants and run medical schools without a formal education, so I don't have a choice but to finish.

One of my absolute favorite people doens't have much in the way of college education. He is pretty depressed about his prospects right now. He's lucky because he can go get one (GI bill), but he hates doing the bs classes so much that it's possible he'll never get to the good stuff that he is interested in. It's a shame, because this man is WAY smarter than me, but he might never get to capitalize on it because he won't stick with it if it bores him. Not sure how I can really encourage him to do that without making him (he's pretty strong willed) but I'm trying.

Neither of my parents finished college and they seem to be doing well, but they've always had to work their asses off to get to where they are. They are upper middle class at the cost of my father working 12 hour days running a maintenance department in a factory and then hopping on a tractor to farm the land he grew up on -- which didn't leave enough time for him to take care of himself (or my mom for that matter, who had to do everything else because he wasl always at work). As a consequence they are in their early 50s, have major health issues, and barely got to enjoy their lives.

"Well, your brain seems to work a little bit." -- Rune Walsh, Phantasy Star IV.

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08.11.2012 5:04pm

Ulterior
Registered Member

I cook for a big casino in the buffet. I'm the guy in the back with the big paddle spatula working the 55 gallon stockpots. Sometimes I miss being in a smaller kitchen with a hot line and a ticket machine... but that insane feeling only comes along once every few months or so. Plus, something quite rare for kitchen work, I get great benefits. Mostly I like what I do, except when I have to deal with customers. I like working with food, food doesn't give you an attitude.

Zubis said:

How do you guys feel about formal education? I know a lot of people that dropped out of college saying it was worthless, but these people don't seem to be doing much these days.

I went to culinary school but wish I hadn't-- but kitchen work is 99% experience based anyway, so I know I'm in the minority on this issue. All culinary school gave me was the confirmation that I wanted to do this for the rest of my life, and 40k in loan debt which I am now paying off (very slowly I might add.) The people that graduated culinary school (such as myself) make the same amunt of money as people who didn't graduate or that never went-- in my field, management knows that experience is king, and getting to run your own kitchen/restaurant is dependent on your connections and your work ethic, not if you went to CIA,, Johnston & Wales, community college, or if you didn't at all and started dishwashing at 15.

I love you, everything burrito.

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