Rhaegar said: Arianne is far more important to her locale's characterization and to the overall plot than the Greyjoys and Quentyn are to theirs, so, again, false equivalence.
reido said: Arianne is less important in terms of how good her chapters are (they are frequently boring) as she is in terms of what her character means to Dorne and, in turn, what Dorne means to greater Westeros. Greater Westeros: ruled by rich old white guys, overwhelmingly mysoginistic society. Dorne: ruled irregardless of gender, women have equal social and legal rights as men, not entirely populated by white people. Dorne, from the viewer's perspective, with Trystane as the heir instead of Arianne: ruled irregardless of gender, women have equal social and legal rights as men, not entirely populated by white people. You can probably strike that last bit too, given the casting choices, and the fact that Show!Dorne is more Spain than the Middle East. So basically the only thing that seperates Show!Dorne from the rest of Westeros is Latin accents, spicy food, and a general horniness.
reido said: This is what I said last time this came up, which was only a couple pages ago. I'm'a just quote it wholesale instead of retyping it all out. But to summarize: Book Dorne is all about the ladies. Show Dorne is all about the ladies being horny all the time. (And also the dudes. And also the quota non-cis characters.)
Jaran said: In fairness, we've only seen Dornish people in King's Landing, and as we all know by now the only thing to do in King's Landing is play the world's highest-stakes game of Fuck, Marry, Kill.
Lexx said: Spoiler: Move your mouse over the container to reveal.You can still have Dorne's inheritance laws come into play without Arianne. Trystane could talk about them as his reasoning for wanting to crown Myrcella.
Rhaegar said: Spoiler: Move your mouse over the container to reveal.It still wouldn't be the same. It's much more meaningful and believable for a woman who is heir to power in her own land to have motive to want to crown another woman for the whole Seven Kingdoms. Unfortunately, the show is most likely going to have Trystane enable the plot out of being lovestruck, knowing how D&D like to write such things. And any mention he'll make of Dorne's inheritance laws to "justify" it is going to come off as incredibly insincere. Kinda like how in real life men who explicitly call themselves "feminists" and try to wave that flag around (and annoyingly talk over women in the movement) come off as insincere and desperate to get laid. That would be Trystane in your scenario.
Rhaegar said: Spoiler: Move your mouse over the container to reveal.Nope, it is sexism. Straight up. Don't argue otherwise. D&D have a history of it. In the past I've let it slide, but when you're dealing with a whole new part of the Seven Kingdoms whose inheritance laws are different from the rest of Westeros and watering it down and whitewashing it, making it infinitely less interesting than the book version, then it's time to tell D&D to fuck off. There is no other reason to cut out Arianne and give Show!Trystane her stuff for the sake of a fluffy love story with Myrcella. That's not cutting bloat; that's rearranging the plot entirely for God knows what reason and what audience. That plotline is all but guaranteed to be in the show, for the last time. The right characters aren't. And without the right characters involved, the Dorne plot turns into just another deal indistinguishable from the rest of Westeros. That is NOT a change for the better, no matter how you slice it. Or how much and for what arbitrary reason you find it "boring." Arianne and Arys was not suffering at all. For a lot of other people, it wasn't suffering. But I'm pretty sure Show!Trystane and Myrcella will be.
Also, comparing Arianne's significance to Euron's is highly disingenuous, and it's leading me to believe that you are arguing from a position of unrepentant sexism.
