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Star Trek Into Darkness: KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN?



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 05.12.2013 5:41am


Ramses
Registered Member

Just think this Abrams hack has killed Star Trek, and now Disney is letting him kill off Star Wars.  Is nothing sacred?



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 05.13.2013 3:01pm


Catastrophe
I'm Catbug!



Technically speaking, Abrams has reaffirmed several times that he wasn't a Star Trek fan before being brought on board for the reboot. And he has also admitted that he has always been a Star Wars fan. So there's that.




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 05.13.2013 4:03pm


The Hulk
Good Boy



Star Trek was already dead anyway.  JJ has just raised it as some kind of twisted zombie creature.




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 05.13.2013 5:27pm


Atma Weapon
I Am Pure Energy

So you want more movies like Insurrection?

The "real" Star Trek was its own cause of death way before Abrams got involved.




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 05.13.2013 5:28pm


Catastrophe
I'm Catbug!



I blame Enterprise, personally.




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 05.13.2013 5:38pm


Southern Comfort
silently judging all of you



Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are better targets of your blame.  They're the ones who shat all over Voyager and Enterprise.

For that matter, Roddenberry himself was a shitty creator.  The best Star Trek came when they kicked his ass out of the big chair and hired competent people to write, direct, and produce.




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 05.13.2013 7:09pm


CaButler
Winter Knight of the Unseelie Court



Southern Comfort said:

Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are better targets of your blame.  They're the ones who shat all over Voyager and Enterprise.

For that matter, Roddenberry himself was a shitty creator.  The best Star Trek came when they kicked his ass out of the big chair and hired competent people to write, direct, and produce.

Then those people went to create the remake for Battlestar Galattica




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 05.14.2013 12:24am


Vyers
Dark Adonis



It's interesting reading this topic now for the first time after seeing the movie, then watching the trailers, then reading your theories.

I think this is probably the only movie I've seen in my life where I felt I would enjoy it more if I knew less about the source material.

I thought the level of callbacks and references were stupid, but this IS coming from someone who never liked TOS...

Most glaring in my mind is that:

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Calling old Spock to look at the script was fucking cheating


But I would happily watch a sequel/spin-off movie called "Benedict Cumberbatch punches bitches for 90 minutes".

Ramses said:

Just think this Abrams hack has killed Star Trek, and now Disney is letting him kill off Star Wars.  Is nothing sacred?

Deep down I'm hoping you're being ironic.




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 05.14.2013 1:22am


Zubis
Registered Member



CaButler said:

Then those people went to create the remake for Battlestar Galattica

I always loved that BSG was born out of Ron Moore questioning how many shuttles did Voyager lose over the course of its run (13), and his desire to make a show where it would be terrifying to actually loose one.




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 05.14.2013 2:17am


Southern Comfort
silently judging all of you



I'll give Ron Moore infinite leeway, because IMO he created the absolute best Star Trek out there.

(Brannon/Braga had nothing to do with the BSG reboot, IIRC.)




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 05.14.2013 2:36am


Crusader
Not Even My Dad Hit Me



DS9 and BSG reboot 4 lief, yo.

That said, without even seeing the new one, I'd still gladly trade in both Abrams Trek movies for a fifth season of Enterprise.








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 05.14.2013 8:07pm


Vyers
Dark Adonis



Zubis said:

Just to elaborate on how bad the scene is

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Half way through the movie Khan and Kirk are in sickbay having an argument. To change the subject Kirk glances over at McCoy, who's working on a dead tribble.

"What are you working on Bones?"
"Applying Khan's blood to a dead tribble's necrotised flesh."

At the end of the movie just after Kirk dies, said tribble comes back to life. I actually facepalmed in the theatre.


Star Trek has become science fantasy, not fiction. If you're not okay with the idea odds are you'll hate the movie. I still think it's worth going to see though, and may go again.

It's worth pointing out that this was actually set up from the very beginning of the movie with Mickey from Doctor Who and his dying daughter.




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 05.14.2013 8:50pm


Zubis
Registered Member



I caught that too, but it makes things even worse because instead of Bones

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casually going through the logs and realising that the dying daughter isn't dying anymore, and then having a Eureka moment, they insult the audiences intelligence *twice* explaining it.




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 05.14.2013 9:10pm


Atma Weapon
I Am Pure Energy

Star Trek was always science fantasy. Dilithium crystals anyone?




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 05.16.2013 5:14am


Lexx
Terran Angel



Not to mention, "traveling exponentially faster than light, but somehow being slow enough that you only close the distance between Earth and the sun and swing around, causes you to time travel".

Star Trek has been science fantasy for a long, long time.

I loved Star Trek Into Darkness, btw.  Earth has never looked better in Trek.

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Was that Praxis sticking off the side of Kronos?




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