grey_haven said: Maybe a nitpick but... Spoiler: Move your mouse over the container to reveal. I hate the misdirection they did with Fin being a Jedi. Everyone in the theater knew Rey was the Jedi walking in, right. Now we have this weird moment where Kylo Ren should have just force pushed Fin to the ground when they have their fight. He has no defense against it not being a force user.
Rhaegar said: Spoiler: Move your mouse over the container to reveal.Finn still could wind up being Force-sensitive and a Jedi. He's clearly not as "ready" yet as Rey, but there's plenty of hints that he has some Force potential as well, and not just because he held his own for a while with a lightsaber (that scene with him and Rey finishing each others' thoughts, for example).
Fukiyama said: As I said, I haven't seen the movie yet (probably a matinee either this week or next week). However, for those of you who have, I want to post this just for your comments for after. This is from an online film blog that I follow. How The Force Awakens...
SuperSquall said: I don't buy it. This is such a limited and black and white view of the characters, how story arcs work, and how life works. Spoiler: Move your mouse over the container to reveal.Han goes through an arc and becomes a heroic leader and becomes selfless. But the war also ended, and Han moved onto his new role as a father. I'm not sure he did such a bad job - it looks to me like Kylo has a natural affinity to the dark side and all the chaos related to that, and it is very hard for him. He's a kid facing a tough situation, and neither parent can really relate to him, nor can has uncle. With Kylo Ren going bad I can see how that would tear a marriage apart... and then what's Han supposed to do? No empire, no rebel alliance, no kid, no wife. What's left? Smuggling. As for Luke, he struggled with the darkside but only in the traditional sense. It was about anger and coping with pain and temptation. Kylo Ren seems to be more swept up in it on a natural level, similar to Rey's affinity to find calm and interact with the lightside easily, and he doesn't really like it but it's who he is. Part of him wants out, but he's not really attuned to the light... he just likes the idea of it. I also don't buy the idea that Luke was a shitty mentor because he wasn't properly trained as a Jedi. Obiwan was and that only got him a 50-50 success rate as a Master. Also, the Jedi Order was really fucked up. It was. Children are taken from their parents and not allowed to talk to them anymore. That's bad. They are trained to use lightsabers from a young age (aka child soldiering). That's bad. They have to follow an ultra-conservative doctrine that even forbids their own breeding. That's bad. All that shit is cannon and it's not cool, and I don't think Luke would be a better teacher if he were more immersed in that. Everyone is giving Luke a hard time as a teacher because he had a failed student (which seems to happen a lot in Star Wars... that Dooku guy seemed bad but everyone thinks Yoda's a great teacher), all while we ignore the influence of Snoke. Kylo learned from him... we don't know much, but we know it was significant. And something for all you Kylo Ren haters... Spoiler: Move your mouse over the container to reveal.It's kind of the point that he is this baby-faced weenie with his helmet off. When he's got the helmet on he's this intimidating guy who's a badass and evokes imagery of Darth Vader. When he takes it off you realize he's this kid who is maybe in over his head, tormented and lonely, and alienated from his family. He's not scary at all... he's pitiful. And he knows it. So he wears his mask to hide it. I thought it was refreshing how he was compensating for his insecurity, and a few people around him know it. Him and Hux seem to have a mutual "I know you're a wuss under that facade" thing that goes both ways.
reido said: The more I read about the movie, the more it seems like the back half of it used to have a LOT more stuff, and it got edited down a lot.